rosenborg v manchester united

[mrstpatsfc]

http://www.rbk.no/english...120761.ece

anyone know if this will be played in old trafford or what?would love to go

[RBKalle]

Considering it's United's Reserve Team, I take an educated guess and say it'll not be at Old Trafford...

[Gerrit]

It is the United reserve team allright, and Man U plays a not very far away game with the senior squad the same evening. So very likely this friendly with Rosenborg will be attended by less people than the average Norwegian 2nd division game. If we manage to get even only 5 people in England, we may outnumber the home support
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Rosenborg, forever pride of the North!

[mrstpatsfc]

absolutely no information available on the game to be honest.have looked everywhere and im waiting on reply from united as to where game will be on.im guessing gigg lane

[Gerrit]

Gigg Lane? Isnt that where that spin-off club "FC United of Manchester" is playing their home games?
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[RBKalle]

Well, this speaks volumes about the morbid and almost irrational fascination many Norwegians fans (and sadly even those who are in charge of teams I fear) have for English football.

RBK are an almost established European side, and we have to endure the agony of press and fans being tickled pink about a training match against ManU's RESERVES.

And as reserves we aren't speaking of A-team players who aren't regulars in the starting eleven, we're mostly speaking of junior players who'll be lucky to get 10 minutes of actual Man United football.

So all the excitement is baffling to me. I'd rather have a friendly with FFK or TIL than with Man U's "long shots".

[Gerrit]

Dito. Even a training game against a random Norwegian or Swedish mid table team would be better than this, at least it would not cost any hotel and travel and the opponent would not be worse than the reserves of United.

The fascination for English football is not typical to Norway. In Ireland (where I lived for 3 years myself) and to lesser extend in my native Belgium, the fascination is equally big. Some people just believe that football is good as soon as it comes from England. In Ireland I saw hundreds of Liverpool shirts in the streets of Dublin, compared to the 1 or maximum 2 shirts of actually Irish clubs like Bohemians or Shamrock Rovers. Ireland even has fanclubs for English 4th division teams like Accrington Stanley and Tranmere. In Belfast there is a fanclub for Stranraer, 3rd division in Scotland. Meanwhile local Irish clubs find it hard to survive due to lack of public interest.

The fascination with English football is global. Am I weird for not liking this league this much? It just lost its local touch, became a marketing product with clubs run as companies, attracting fans and selling merch as far as USA, Tokyo and South Africa. It has become a business. I dont like English football that much anymore, it was a lot more pleasant in the nineties before the money spent on it became really ridiculously high.
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[Øystein]

[mrstpatsfc]

utd reserves have played many a game at gigg lane but you are right that fc utd are also in residence there.

im not exactly excited about this game,just want to go as it close enough to home.

yeah the whole english football phenonemon in ireland is a disgrace.for every 100 football shirts you see i guarantee you that 5 or maybe even less would be of an english club.

the impact of chelsea bbecoming multi millionaires and grabbing all the glory hunters has impacted the game in ireland.

the following have all had financial problems this year:drogheda,shels,cork city,cobh ramblers,bray wanderers,shamrock rovers,bohemians,galway utd,waterford utd,finn harps.

not too mention in the past few years dublin city and kilkenny city have ceased to exist

[Gerrit]

Yes but let's be honest, Dublin City was a scam since day 1. Although using the city crest as logo was a good idea, I have seen their jerseys for sale in tourist shops who sold them to American and Japanese tourists without telling they were actually buying a football jersey and not a simple shirt with the Dublin crest on it. Dublin City never had a real home, no support whatsoever apart from a maximum 100 people, ...

But yes, to see that even popular clubs like Cork struggle and nobody does anything about it, meanwhile in the area around Cork about 5000 people donated money to a Liverpool FC Trust
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[mrstpatsfc]

always had a soft spot for them after all they did relegate shamrock rovers i knew some of the lads that played for them they were gutted.i set up a petition and sent it to the minister shortly after their demise to see if they would help stop other clubs go under.evidently enough it didnt happen

exactly the fact is there for everyone to see,when you have a figure like that what hope does it offer for survival?and besides irish children are brought up following the big guns abroad not the local teams,its embarrasing really

[Gerrit]

Many Irish football fans (most of them were active on foot.ie) were against Dublin City because of the way they entered the league. Normally new teams have to apply for a license to enter the Eircom League, while Dublin City did not because in theory they were just Home Farm FC with a new name (in practice they were a split-off of Home Farm who continue still today as amateur club). Because of that trick they did not need to be elected like all other new clubs, which caused some anger amongst fans of other clubs, especially when their chairman first used that trick to get into the league but afterwards continuously claimed Dublin City was a new club which had nothing to do with Home Farm. The team had very few fans and no stable home (having groundshared with Shelbourne first and Bohemians afterwards)

I had nothing against them though. I dislike Shamrock Rovers quite a bit, so I too was glad when DCFC beat them in that playoff For the same reason, as a Shelbourne "fan" (maybe more a strong sympathiser) I would like Rovers out of Tolka Park. I know Shels need the money but really, of all possible tenants we have the worst one imaginable and it is quite a miracle their hooligan fans have not seriously damaged the infrastructure yet.

I was considered an oddity within foot.ie and the stadiums generally because I, an immigrant coming from Belgium, decided to attend Eircom League games live in the stadiums rather than watching English football in the pub. I guess most people who emigrate to Ireland choose the other option, but I would miss the stadium atmosphere if I was only exposed to football on TV. And I found the Irish football cosy and pleasant. I think more local people should take their kids to a game, have them involved, so that they grow up with St Pats, Bohemians or Shelbourne rather than growing up with a weekly Liverpool or United game on TV. I think more people, especially kids who have not been brainwashed by the BBC yet, would attend local teams they would be more keen on following a local team rather than looking forward to their weekly Match Of The Day on TV.

Also, Celtic deserves a large blame. It takes fans from the Irish teams just as much as the English teams, but with Celtic there is this political element. When I lived in Dublin I once watched Champions League football on TV and when Celtic scored the people all shouted "f*** Union Jack". That just is not right. This is as bad as Linfield or Rangers fans singing "The Billy Boys" after a goal (to the Norwegians here: the Billy Boys is a paramilitary song sung by Northern Irish british-loyalists). People in Ireland who follow Celtic have this arrogant attitude that Celtic would actually be an Irish club rather than a Scottish club, and that someone who is Irish just has to be a Celtic fan. That is utter crap, especially when those people never set foot in an Irish stadium. If they want to support an Irish club, then they have plenty of choice: St Pats, Shelbourne, Bohemians, Cork, Bray, Galway, ... THOSE are Irish clubs, Celtic is not.
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[mrstpatsfc]

foot.ie is full of arrogant people just waiting for the next thing to moan at,i would never take residence on that site no matter how informative it may be.

the celtic thing is another great shame.they say to be irish is to be a celt.where in ireland is glasgow?i seen an article last week in the paper saying that celtic are ``coming home`` as in their looking to stage a friendly a croke park.it just infuriated me.another fact which im sure you will back me up on gerrit is that if you go to any irish international match,you a more likely to see more celtic jerseys than any other club.im not denying the fact that the irish did play a key part in forming the backbone of the club back in 1888 but when a club from a different country has more fans than domestic teams its a joke.

another example is the whole dublin dons thing.when wimbledon wanted to relocate to dublin,everyone was only too happy to see it happen.
for more info on that i wrote an article some time back which is available at http://meirleach.piczo.com entitled ``dublin dons``

[Gerrit]

Yeah, I went to three ROI internationals and I saw way too many Celtic jerseys. The ones wearing a jersey of an Eircom League team were a small minority.

I must say I liked Celtic back in Belgium. When I emigrated to Ireland and saw how politically polluted the club is, I turned my back on them. They are not much better than Rangers, they are flip sides of the same coin. Both have a large sectarian element in their support and attract a group of people who do it just for political reasons, as if a Rangers jersey is a statement of Britishness and a Celtic jersey a statement of Irishness. I would say, if someone wants to prove how Irish he is, go support a local team, Dublin has 6 clubs in the league and each of them are a lot more Irish than Celtic ever will be. I actually know of one guy in Ireland saying to his colleague who does follow the Eircom League "you must now support Celtic in Europe, they are the only Irish team in the Champions League". Ridiculous. Scots by the way are very proud people who would refuse to wave any flag but the Scottish one. And yet, their biggest football clash shows Irish and British flags rather than Scottish flags, a lot of Scots who support other teams find the Old Firm ridiculous as well.

And while Celtic is the leader when it comes down to this, I recall a thread on foot.ie entitled "which is the most Irish team: Everton or Liverpool?". Ridiculous. Someone replied that even Linfield is more Irish than them, and that is the truth, no matter how loyalist they may be they are at least on the island of Ireland while Liverpool isn't (and many Liverpudlians dislike daytrippers from across the water).

I think more people just need to take their kids to Irish clubs before they are being brainwashed by the merchandise machine from English clubs. If a kid is taken weekly to his local team well before he finds out about what happens in England, he is likely to stick with the team. Right now a lot of kids just see the classmates wear a United shirt and just follow the bandwagon, declaring "Irish teams are sh*te" while never having watched an Eircom League game. I bet half of those people declaring how bad Irish football is would not even know where Dalymount Park or Richmond Park are located ...
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[2mas]

Bad dress rehearsal: Reserves: Hull 2 United 1

HULL CITY 2
Windass (51), France (65)

MANCHESTER UNITED 1
Stewart (90)

United: Zieler; Stewart, Wootton, Chester, Derbyshire; Eikrem (James 66), Possebon (Brandao 78), Hewson, Cleverley, Bryan (Petrucci 70); Macheda.

[mrstpatsfc]

match finished 1all.only notable thing really is saparas injury